this started almost 14 full days before newtown when bob costas went on the air and talked about that gun issue. >> and got hammered for it. >> so i just think that now that this has happened and, like you, steven, two grandchildren. 6 and 9. my daughter-in-law is a first grade schoolteacher. this really hit home and i think it hit everybody home. >> but the media have to be careful here to have balance. for example, on msnbc the anchor thomas roberts who is not in favor of changing gun control laws and roberts came back and said, well, so, you think we should just send our children to school to be assassinated and that suggests that anybody who has a different view is somehow the enemy. >> that is very unfair. but one of the reasons why this debate took off is that you have unusual voices stepping forward, especially joe manchin of california who gets an "a" rating from the nra and did a famous ad shooting a rifle and he comes out and says, i've changed my mind. >> so does joe scarborough on msnbc. >> that's how the debate changes. >> he is a former republican congressman from florid